>> when you looking look around here, this is frugal wisconsin. this is place is a palace. >> that is why we don't add things to on it. >> but they wanted more benefits for everyone. >> the question we have been asking ourselves around wisconsin, why do they have the healthcare benefits and why the retirement benefits. the question we should be asking you, why don't you have access to the same kind of he'll choices that a public employee has. >> john: because if we all, did we would be deeper in the money hole. but there is another approach, one a few places have tried and the results, prosperity. that is next.